Showing posts with label adaptation. Show all posts
Showing posts with label adaptation. Show all posts

Wednesday, October 16, 2024

Well, *Maybe* Netflix Doesn't Hate Me?

     So.

    I mean, they're still taking down The Untamed.  That's definitely a mark in the "they must hate me" box.  (Though if they'd put up the "Special Edition" version instead, that would go a long way towards removing that mark.  I've been very curious as to how in the world they can try to make it work at only twenty episodes long.)

    But...

    When the first episode of the new (Netflix-exclusive and at least partially Netflix-funded) anime of Ranma 1/2 went up, I checked out what it said regarding the cast list.  I already knew it was confirmed that both seiyuu for Ranma and the seiyuu for Akane were back, but...wow.  Just scanning the cast list, I saw that it wasn't just those three:  both of Akane's sisters, Ranma's father, and--most importantly after Ranma him/herself!--Ryoga were all back!  I couldn't recall the names of the seiyuu who played Akane's father, Kuno or Shampoo, though, so I wasn't sure about them.

    Anyway, with that encouragement, I decided to give it a try.

    The opening credits visuals were fantastic, though the song accompanying them was merely so-so.  Unlike the opening credits of the original anime, which had one of the best OP songs ever, in my humble (or not so humble) opinion.  (I did not care for the new show's closing credits, visually or musically.  They weren't fitting for a fast-paced comedy in a martial arts setting.  They'd be fine for a more tame, slower-paced rom-com, though.)  Hopefully someone will post an edit of the OP to Youtube, pairing the new visuals with the original song.  That would be epic.

    For the most part, the episode was pretty much exactly the manga, as I recall it.  (Admittedly, it has been a great many years since I read the manga.)  But as I recall the first episode of the original anime was also pretty manga-accurate.  (Again, it's been many years.)  It wasn't until much later in the show that it started going off-book.  (To the extent that they changed the eventual love interests of at least two characters!)

    The first thing that made me sit up and go "whoa!" was when the Jusenkyo guide spoke.

    He's no longer using horrible, broken Japanese.  He's still got an accent, but it's not as egregious, and his Japanese is no longer broken.  (And yes, I don't speak the language, but I can recognize when the speech patterns are radically different.)  Likewise, the subtitles for his lines were not in broken English.  This is an enormous improvement, and I am desperately praying it will extend to Shampoo.  (He otherwise sounds the same, so I'm assuming that Koichi Yamadera is voicing him again, because why wouldn't he, when he's already back as Ryoga?)

    As the episode progressed, I became pretty sure that Mr. Tendo is indeed being played by someone new, but...I mean, it's been a very long time since the original anime.  His original seiyuu might not still be active (or even living; I know both Happosai's and Cologne's seiyuu have passed away, though Cologne's passed away so early that they had to recast her for the OVA, so that's a slightly different issue), but in the long run that doesn't matter.  Mr. Tendo is not a central character, and the original performance did not particularly shape him in any way.

    The various returning cast members sometimes have very different performances, other times remarkably similar ones.  Like, Kasumi in episode one could literally have been the same voice clips from Kasumi in the old episode one, because what need is there to change anything about her old performance?  Her voice was basically perfect from the start.  Kasumi is mostly an open book of a character, so it's not like there was anything to learn about her from later seasons and layer that into her first season performance.  On the other hand, Nabiki's performance (across the first two episodes) ranged from "basically identical" to "nuanced by knowledge of where the character is going" (especially in terms of her interactions with Kuno).

    Where there were major changes, unsurprisingly, were with the two leads.  In addition to the fact that both of Ranma's seiyuu were still early in their careers when the original anime was made and thus have naturally improved their craft over the decades since, there's the fact that they know so much more about the character now.  Particularly in terms of everything that's revealed by the return of Ranma's mother later on, things that the character himself is obviously painfully aware of at all times.  (The same deeper knowledge is likely part of the reason that the performance for Genma Saotome is also much differently nuanced.)  Akane's performance is likewise more nuanced, in her case not due to secrets to be revealed in the future (she really doesn't have any to speak of) but just being able to better understand the character due to having seen how she behaves and reacts in response to the myriad future events of the show.  Her lines to the doctor in the second episode were definitely Akane's performance highlight so far.


    So, yeah, this seems like a super-encouraging start so far.  Admittedly, the original anime didn't necessarily need a remake, because even where it went off the rails it still fit the tone of the original manga.  (Unlike the anime of Urusei Yatsura which by the time I stopped buying the DVDs (about halfway through the series) rarely even visited the original wacky, frenetic comedy of the manga.  It was still good, usually, but...very different.  I just don't know if I can watch the new version of that because the characters' voices were so integral to them, particularly Ataru's, and...well, Hi-dive doesn't have an app on Switch or Playstation, so it's not even an option for me at the moment.)  But getting the later seasons right and gently correcting some of the material that was mistakenly seen as acceptable in the '80s...yeah, I can get behind that.


    However.

    It still has a serious problem.

    One that is wholly Netflix.

    Namely, names.

    More specifically, how the subtitles handle those names.

    It is, sadly, not uncommon for translators to decide to "adjust" how characters interact with each other.  It's not unusual to hear the seiyuu use someone's family name, only to see the text onscreen use their given name.

    This is carried to an extreme in the Netflix subs for Ranma 1/2, particularly where the character of Kuno is concerned.

    No one--and I really do mean no one--ever calls Kuno by his given name.  No one uses it but he himself.  His peers call him "Kuno," his kohai call him "Kuno-sempai," Nabiki calls him "Kuno-chan," Kodachi of course calls him "oniichan" (or was it "oniisama"?), and as I recall his father calls him "Tacchan" or something similarly humiliating.  No one other than Kuno himself uses "Tatewaki."

    Everyone in the subtitles was using "Tatewaki."

    Even Akane.

    Literally everyone.

    No one used "Kuno" except Kuno himself when he was listing his whole name.

    This is completely backwards.

    That is deeply, deeply wrong.

    Deeply.


    If they keep that up, it's going to make watching the show particularly painful.

    So...

    ...yeah, the jury is still out on whether or not Netflix actually hates me.




    (Pretty sure Kuno was recast, btw.  He definitely sounds radically different from how I recall him sounding.  But the performance was good, and the voice is fitting for the character, so that's not a problem.)

Sunday, August 18, 2024

Notes on my rewatch of The Untamed, part 48

     Weirdly, I got through the whole episode without feeling the need to take notes.

    About the only thing of importance for my fic that came up in the episode was when Wei Wuxian basically accused Jin Guangyao of having freed Xue Yang when he was being held prisoner at the Unclean Realm, which was answered in a very non-committal way.  But as Wei Wuxian didn't expressly say "you set him free" just "you started working with him back then," the reply--which was translated as "Kind of."--is less than helpful to me, and I am still left saying "so is he the one who set him free or isn't he?"

    I guess since I'm trying to revert him to the nuanced version from the book, who didn't turn evil until after the war was over, I should either go with "no, he didn't," or "yes, he did, but on the expectation that Xue Yang would go to Wen Chao and thus stop the attack."

    Probably the latter because that's a decision that makes sense in the moment.  Only then Xue Yang distracted him with suggesting the perfect way to get rid of his tormentor, and he listened, and...yeah, that could work.

Thursday, August 15, 2024

Notes on my rewatch of The Untamed, part 45

     "Soul-Chaos Script."

    Uh...

    WTF is that supposed to be?

    😅

    Oh well.

    Spoilers and incoherent nonsense notes follow the read more tag.

Wednesday, August 7, 2024

Notes on my rewatch of The Untamed, part 38

     One thought before I start today's episode.  Regarding my confusion about Jin Zixun addressing Jin Guangshan as "shufu," which would mean his father was older than Jin Guangshan, perhaps it actually means that he's not Jin Zixuan's first cousin, but a second cousin.  I think I read that uncle/nephew style-terms are used in place of things like cousins once removed.  So if Jin Zixun's father is Jin Guangshan's first cousin, then Jin Zixun would still call him some variation on "uncle" rather than some form of cousin.  So that may be what was going on there.  In which case I might want to change the line I had about Jin Zixun's father being Jin Guangshan's younger brother.  Given that Jin Zixun is kind of the less-entertaining prototype for Qi Rong, it feels sort of wrong for him to be a more distant cousin, but....well, I guess I can add that to my list of things I need to ask an expert about.  😅

    Anyway.  Random incoherent spoilers follow.

    (Oh, and if you're looking for my IWSG post, it's here.)

Tuesday, August 6, 2024

Notes on my rewatch of The Untamed, part 37

     It's kind of funny that I'm finishing up the final volume of Thousand Autumns (which I mistakenly took to be "Xue Yang/Xiao Xingchen: the novel" and thus had resisted reading for quite a while) right as I'm watching the Yi City arc of The Untamed.  At least, that's funny to me, anyhow.

    Rambling incoherence and spoilers follow.

Monday, August 5, 2024

Notes on my rewatch of The Untamed, part 36

    Okay, so this is interesting.  I just read one of the side stories in the final volume of Thousand Autmuns, and in that story, Yan Wushi paid for their tab at an inn by tossing the concierge a bag full of silver nuggets.  So obviously the thing I've commented on and been perplexed by several times throughout this rewatch is an established thing.  Now, whether it's actually the case that people sometimes paid for things with silver nuggets instead of coins or whether it's a genre convention, that I have no idea of.  But at least I have now learned for certain that it isn't intended to mean that The Untamed is set in an alternate history where the empire just crumbled and went away.  (Though I still think that would make for an interesting fanfic.)  I suppose paying with silver nuggets was because with so many small kingdoms rising and falling, coinage was somewhat less than solid in value.  Especially since ancient Chinese coinage (according to Wikipedia, anyway) was not usually made from precious metals, but instead things like bronze, so the coins don't have any inherent value for the metals they're made of.  (Not that all coins in European countries did, either, but gold and silver were often used as well as more base metals.)

     Nothing to say before notes today.  Rambling and incoherent spoilers follow.

Sunday, August 4, 2024

Notes on my rewatch of The Untamed, part 35

     Before I get to today's episode notes...I am by now in the many Epilogue chapters of the final volume of Thousand Autumns.  In the particular chapter I just read this morning, Shen Qiao is summoned to visit the Emperor of Chen, and the meeting is being held in Wangxian Hall.  Given that this is in a concrete historical setting and according to the "about the author" blurb, the author is known for her meticulous research, I'm assuming that's genuinely the name of a particular hall at that palace, but... 🤣  My mind obviously went to a particular fictional duo who I happen to be quite obsessed with!  🤣  (That being said, "Forgetting Envies" does seem like a fitting name for such a space.  Though I'm sure there are also a lot of other things that could mean, come to think of it.)

    Anyway.  Back to my notes about the journey of that particular fictional couple, as told in live-action.  Rambling, incoherence and spoilers follow.

Saturday, August 3, 2024

Notes on my rewatch of The Untamed, part 34

     Gnh.  I thought of something I wanted to say before the spoiler tag, and forgot it again. 😭


    Maybe it was to note down that yes, although I didn't comment on it in the notes at the time, Lan Wangji did indeed shed a tear during the Nightless City Massacre.  Well, duh.


    Anyway.

    Rambling and incoherent spoilers follow.

Thursday, August 1, 2024

Notes on my rewatch of The Untamed, parts 32 and 33

     I think I'm actually a little relieved that they decided to incongruously use "The Rites of Spring" for some of the music during the Nightless City Massacre.  The unexpected images of dinosaurs help to pull me out of the tragedy unfolding.

Notes on my rewatch of The Untamed, part 31

     Okay, for once I thought of something when I was in a place to write it down.  One thing that's been bothering me in the episodes since the Sunshot Campaign:  every time there's been a public debate of any kind regarding Wei Wuxian's words or actions, when Lan Wangji takes his side, people immediately dismiss (or are suspicious of) his opinion, because he's known to be such good friends with Wei Wuxian.  In the novel, everyone thought they hated each other.  It was such a widespread rumor that even Wen Qing was aware of it, and after Lan Wangji's visit to the Burial Mounds, she even commented on it.  Obviously, the rumor had no way of surfacing in the show, since the Sunshot Campaign was too short (and Wei Wuxian too inactive) for them to have countless public arguments about his demonic cultivation.  But without that rumor, without all those arguments, the opening of the battle that will become the Nightless City Massacre makes no sense, because why would Wei Wuxian (let alone the audience!) believe his steadfast best friend is suddenly trying to kill him?  Of course, in the novel we knew Lan Wangji wasn't trying to kill him, because that was one of the rare moments we were told what he was thinking, and so the reader knew he was actually trying to destroy Chenqing, thinking that it was an evil instrument that was corrupting the man he loves.  In the drama, we're not told that and their relationship is almost perfect (except they're not allowed to act on their feelings) so...I mean, they put that opening attack in the opening credits, it's one of the Netflix thumbnails, and the art design painting for it is the cover of the art book (at least for the English version anyway), but when we actually get to that moment, it's been entirely undermined by everything that's led up to it.

    Or.  Well, I won't get to it until the next episode after this one, so...🤷🏻‍♀️

    I guess I just wanted to write that down while I remembered it.

    Oh.  But I need to keep that in mind in the early stages of my fic:  they never got any reputation for disliking each other in this version of canon, so no one should be surprised when they're seen together.  (After the Sunshot Campaign is over in my fic, they're kind of forced to come out about their relationship due to something being overheard when all the allies are gathered in Nightless City for the victory celebration.  (Following the show's lead there...)  So obviously at that point people should only be surprised to see them apart.  🤣)

    Also, I think I may have decided another detail to work into my fic's setting.  Given the way the show seems to prefer having people pay with chunks of "silver" instead of coinage, I'm thinking maybe they decided that in the setting for the show, the empire just outright died, and there is no mundane government anymore.  According to the art book, they drew on the Jin and Wei periods for visual design.  The Jin Dynasty in question (did I already post about this?) was the one founded at the end of the Three Kingdoms period that we Westerners are familiar with from the Dynasty Warriors games.  (Among various other pop culture IPs, many most of which are also Japanese in origin. 😰)  Then there was a period called the Sixteen Kingdoms, in which small kingdoms rose and fell at the drop of a metaphorical hat.  That was followed by the Wei Dynasty, which also fell in disarray after a while, leading to the Northern and Southern period (in which Thousand Autumns is set).  Anyway, I'm thinking that the lack of coinage--and the constant massive battles without any sign of imperial authority coming around to find out why people are slaughtering each other in such numbers--makes it plausible that the drama is set in such an alternate history that the government itself just failed entirely, and thus the cultivation clans are as close to government as there is in the area, which would explain why Wen Ruohan was able to exert such crazy amounts of power.  Given that in my fic I actually had the other clans dividing up the Wen Clan's territory after the Sunshot Campaign as if they were literal warlords, I think I'm just going to make that an official part of the AU setting, that the clans are actually ruling the land, even if they don't specifically talk about it that way.

    I think.

    I dunno.  I'm still on the fence about that, I guess.

    And yet it sorta makes things make more sense, in a way?  (Though I do have some places where they talk about what normal armies and rulers of men do, so...does that make it more or less plausible that they're actually running the country?  Hmmm....not sure who to ask for advice on that...)

    Actually, that might make a really interesting fic in and of itself:  the failure of the normal governments and the early clan leaders (who we only know the names of two of, Wen Mao and Lan An) stepping up to protect the people in the absence of any imperial court.  Maybe they'd even have to put down some warlords who were trying to become new kings and were crushing the people in the process.  Unfortunately, it would require a level of historical research that would be difficult to pull off without being able to speak Chinese.  Or at least having access to a really well-stocked university library system.  (As I am supposed to be researching Late Bronze Age Babylon right now for book four of the Atalanta and Ariadne series, I really should not even attempt to research such a fic.  I guess I'll either put it on the list of "fics I'd like to write someday" or maybe I should look and see if anyone else has already written such a fic.)

    Anyway.  Incomprehensible nonsense, rambling and spoilers follow.